help-joints in my hands are really sore after massaging

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hello all

I only qualified 2 years ago (itec dip holistic mass) and until 3 months ago i just did family and friends in my spare time....now i work in a spa and it is pretty full on with back to back treatments throughout the shift.
i noticed last week my fingers, wrists and pretty much eveything in between was clicking when i massaged, the last few days they are so sore, they were feeling really hot inside last night and today felt really cold it was hard to warm my fingers up....when i do deep tissue or swedish i use my forearms and elbows a lot, but it seems just a simple face and head massage is setting it off.....

im gutted, i love my job so much and worked so hard to get it-any ideas, advice or thoughts are very very appreciated...

i only work part time, there are ladies at work who have been there for years and have no problems-could it be me doing something wrong??

Much love

a x
 
This has to be one of the problems that massage therapists do experience when they do treatments back to back, so you really need to take good care of yourself. Some people I know have trained in No Hands Massage to preserve the joints in their hands from strain. Others I know got some acupuncture to help themselves out.

Good idea to do some warm ups prior to massage and ensure that your posture whilst giving a massage is good, try to use your body weight, rather than increasing pressure on finger joints and for friction reinforce fingers or thumbs.

Take good care of yourself and you will have a long career, but above listen to your body and don't be bullied into using too much pressure if it is uncomfortable for you.

Binah
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Hi amythest2000, this is a common compliant with therapists, especially those what work on production lines in spas, perhaps you need to address your techniques. We all get in bad habits, i had a nasty scare 3 years ago, but by addressing my techniques, adjusting my posture, also stretching out my wrist flexors and extensors, my painful hands have never come back.

Therapist1960uk
 
When you use fingers and thumbs, make sure you always cover them with your other hand (or thumb if you must) so you still use them as a tool, but the force doesn't all go through the one digit.

Stretching and warming up/down is good, but I'm in a similar situation as you (allbeit with less clients, but still back to back) and understand there is often little time for this.

Try to massage your own hands and arms (there are books available on this subject), or get another therapist to treat you regularly, and stretch at home.

I also find that I get more problems when I'm generally tired and/or stressed, so try to make sure you get enough sleep and you-time.
 
I recommend you read this book asap - it's really excellent and also explains the nature of repetitive strain injury really well. You can get it on amazon:

http://www.saveyourhands.com/index.php/The-book/the-book.html

Please think long term here - if you don't nip this in the bud your career may be very short.
 
All good advice-I do some pretty heavy duty sports massage, quite often 10 or more appointments per day (my choice, but I wouldn't recommend it to everybody), and yes the joints do get a little sore. In addition to the excellent advice given on supporting hands and no hands massage (try using Knuckles as well as forearm and elbow points), try plenty of self massage and stretching of the joints and muscles in the hands and arms-even better, get someone to do it for you.
 
Hi amethyst

I agree wholeheartedly with pretty much everything that has been said here. I started getting joint pain in my thumbs and wrists after only 6 months of starting in this business, so I knew I had to make sure I looked after myself. Do make sure you posture is good all the time during your treatments, so your bodyweight is providing the pressure rather than your joints, and definitely learn more about using your forearms or elbows if you can.

I'm not sure if it's feasible where you are working, but I use hot stones which basically mean I don't use my thumbs at all any more, so I have no more problems with my joints. They really are fab as hand savers, so if it is feasible maybe you could consider this option?

Best of luck

Josey
 
Lie on your back and thoroughly palpate all of your scalene muscles. Address all of the trigger points you find.

I'd be interested to know how many you find. I'd be surprised if you had none. Also look at the lateral apect of your bracialis and subscapularis, wouldn't be surprised to find triggers there too. You probably have a touch of medialepicondylitis? If so have a look/palpate the distal, medial aspect of triceps and give that area some attention.

Also sounds as if you are tensing your fingers during effleurage. I had a massage off a girl, during effleurage I couldn't feel her palms on me at all. Not only was it most unpleasant, her finger flexors must have been going through hell.

I don't use my thumbs in petrissage, as shown in Darien Pritchards book, takes a while to get used to but excellent once you do.

Hope that helps.

Kevin.
 
Find a good hands-free course that you feel may work for you. I'm both No Hands and Injury Prevention Massage trainined (and an IPM trainer). These techniques have been fantastic for me, its not about never using your hands - its about only using them when you need to. The majority of effleurage and pettrisage work can be done with other areas and most importantly reducing strain and pressure to delicate small joints and muscles.

Mat
 
Darien Pritchard, as mentioned by Kevin, has written a great (big!) book which is worth buying. He also teaches hands-free massage, definitely in the Cardiff & Bristol area, possibly elsewhere in the country too. Have a look here: http://www.dynamicmassage.co.uk/
 
Hi amythest2000
I agree with much of the above in terms of protection. But as you mention your hands feeling hot and cold it could be nerve impingment of the brachial plexus neck or shoulder area due to bad posture.If this is the case getting all your triggerpoints treated should be your priority.
As you have already been warned by those above this change in career and production line method could be harmfull to you.
Listen to your body, dont give to much of yourself, let energy flow through you not from you.
My tips are :-always work from an adjustable height table if you can.
Ice your hands at the end of the day (as long as they are not cold numb already)
Make friends with your local/clinic osteopath he/she may treat you for free if you can send/set up a referal system.
Swap treatments regularily with other massage therapists.(and reiki too)
Take glucosamine and chondritin suppliments.
Keep fit and strong at the gym.
Swim backstroke = good for unwinding the spine and arms at the end of a long day.

I'm 12 yrs into my career and hoping for at least another 12. I wish you a long and successfull career.

Regards steve
 
thanks to everyone for taking your time to reply with such fab advice-interesting what stephen said because my neck is feeling very stiff also-i have made an appointment to see my gp to maybe get a referral for treatment before my symptoms get worse...

out of interest It was also recommended using magnet therapy in the form of a wrist band (bracelet or similar) does anyone have any feedback regarding this??

thank you all again

A xxx
 
I've used 2 different magnetic wristbands, they get in the way while massaging and they turn my wrists green.

Myarka.
 
Forgot to add that an easy test to do is to flex and extend your fingers. If (with gentle pressure ) they touch or nearly touch your forearm then you are hyperflexable (your muscles will be very overworked trying to stabilize your joints whilst working) You may find this will severely limit your career potential.

Regards steve
 
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    ๐ŸŒบWeclome to wonder spa(9421Jane st unit 127)Rmt available Tuesday and Wednesday,sexy girl Tina and very beautiful girl Mimi ,Friendly Lucy on the duty,they both do very nice treatment and excellent finish,โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800must try today๐Ÿ‘™๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ’„
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธKandy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธClaireCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  37. Sparkling Spa:
    Sasa is working at Sparkling Spa with Zoe today Tuesday November 5th. Real pictures of Sasa & Zoe๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏCall or text to book appointment ๐Ÿ“ฒ โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž This is the official schedule for AMORE SPA: (Korean Ashley hasn't been here for AGES. The old confused imposter doesn't realize he has lost another customer, and continues to post errors and incorrect pics). Tuesday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY(10AM-11pm) & Spinner LALA CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face
  40. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Anika , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage star ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. ASPA:
    TUESDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Best Massage Rachel, & Wendy ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant, about 5โ€™4โ€ tall with nice responsive 34Cโ€™s and a captivating smooth rounded bottom. She is popular for her excellent massage skills and a little extra.
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: CICI, CINDY & JENNY. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CARA, MIMI & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CARA is a young & attractive Chinese attendant, 5โ€™3โ€ & 100 pounds with natural C Cup big boobs, very friendly with a host of services. MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range of services.
  45. See You Health Center:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl She is 5โ€™2โ€tall . 100Lbs, with D Cup Melons Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  46. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Barbie Very Young, very Petite Korea Student With Perfect S shape type Spicy Smoking Hot Body Great BBBJ, CIM, GFE in Her menu Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Sexy tight body amazing C cups with Those incredible nipples โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  47. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Julia๐Ÿ˜˜ - A shy new Korean girl waiting
  48. Sunrise Health Centre:
    Tiana & Noor are here Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Ivy 30โ€™s open mind with big buttocks and young Cute Mia 25โ€™s , pretty GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Petite Chinese Vivi, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Sexy Chinese Coco, Young Sexy Chinese Abie, Young Sexy CBC Rachel.
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