Getting what you want vs. meeting expectations.

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After reading the post about rimming and reviewing my own personal interest in going to mp's I have decided to try and share some of my experience in both meeting expectations and beyond that getting what I want out of a massage.
My main goal when going to an mp is to have sensual contact with the mpa which may include anything from lfk, dfk, bbbj, hugging, breast play(touching, caressing, sucking, licking, etc.), foot play(massaging, licking, sucking, foot job, etc.), daty, fetish play(for me its feet, pantyhose and encasement but im a freak), and about the only thing im truly not expecting nor wanting is any type of fs.
Now the question is how to realize any of these 'extras' so that expectations are met and possible wanton desires are also realized.
My route to the promised land is through mutual respect and the slow build up of sexual tension by not focusing on the areas that the mpa usually expects that will receive the most attention(i.e. pussy, ass, breasts, lips, etc.)
Because i always go for at least a NR i am usually successful in acheiving my goals by trying to give a better massage than i received, which usually isnt very hard as most mps have no formal training in massage therapy, and my focus is usually the mpa's feet which to my amazement are usually left out of the equation when giving a 'good' massage.
My technique ranges from simply running my finger nails along the bottom of the sole, nibbling on the heel, toe sucking, massaging the achilles tendon, running my teeth along the perimeter of the foot, etc.
I guess my goal when writing this is to find out how other hobbyists treat mpa's, what their expectations are, what their desires include, and most importantly how they acheive their means.
I dont know if my message will be scene as i intend it to be but any response would be appreciated.
 
I try to go into a session expeceting nothing more than a basic massage and release from an MPA.

Anything beyond that is always a welcome surprise and always appreciated.

It's not always the physical actions that makes the session good, but rather how comfortable your MPA is in the room that can make the session better than others.
 
Great concept flyingdgn.... its one I've been saying for years... low expections = better experience the majority of the time.
 
So your question is "What's the secret to getting the most mileage?"

To answer your questions, I treat MPA's with respect, meaning I don't push them with anything they are uncomfortable with. You have to be considerate and treat them like human beings. As for expectations, I go in expecting to have a good time. If mileage comes with it, all the better, but if not, I don't let it ruin a session. Going to see an MPA for the first time with the expectation of getting good mileage usually results in disappointment, unless you know ahead of time what she offers. Giving the MPA a good massage has almost always improved or benefitted me in the session. For some girls, giving them a good massage opens other doors, but for some it does nothing. If you 'click' with the MPA, that alone is a good enough reason to getting a better session.
 
I hate the word mileage but you are correct in your assumptions except i already know how to acheive most of my goals and have tried to explain some of my technique towards that end.
I guess what im really interested in is how other members treat this subject and how they are able (or not able) to find what they are looking for.
I like the idea of low expections because everything that happens above and beyond the basics is seen as a bonus.
However, i personally find meeting higher expectations can be a much more rewarding experience especially when you have to exert yourself towards a satisfying(and hopefully mutually satisfying) end.
 
This is a little hard to explain, so I will make it simple ...

I go in with lowered expectations, when the time comes around for extras I usually tell her that I am okay with doing whatever you are comfortable doing. They almost always smile and I almost always have a great time. Pushing for extras gets you lower mileage, letting her feel comfortable allows for a session to be more rewardable.

It is really about you as soon as you walk in, there are many factors involved as mentioned in many discussions. The better you two get along during the massage mostly through conversation, the better the sessions ends up being.

Of course there are mpa out there that will always have a frame of mind that you will never get around, those may never be repeats.

VBB
 
Actualy, a good foot massage is apreciated by any woman. It's pretty much guarenteed to bring a big smile to any woman's face. Want to impress any woman ya like, buy a jar of good cream and offer to give her a good foot massage. Women who on their feet alot such as flight attendants, or most mpas will greatly appreciate this.

~The Night Runner~
 
If you go in with no expectations except to have a good time with a beautiful woman, then anything else is a bonus...

Certainly many clients tend to be fairly "mechanical" so if you arrive with a positive attitude, wanting to please the MPA she'll respond accordingly...

I like to suck on their toes and kiss their feet too, and the response has always been positive...

NOTE: just remember to ask the MPA to take her shoes off before she jumps on the table. Many seem to leave them on, then you don't get full access to those lovely toes

A couple of times I'd wondered if they'd deliberately left them on coz their feet were ticklish, but as it turned out most guys simply weren't interested so they didn't bother removing their highheels...

If they ask why, just tell thm you have a surprise which always goes over well...

While breast play is fairly standard fair, unfortunately there are no guarantees with regards to DATY, LK, DFK etc... The MPA may save that for regular clients, or it may not be on the menu at all...

Quite frankly I don't see MPA's for mileage. I see them coz I enjoy their company, and the release is an added bonus...

When I'm looking for REAL hot and heavy action with guaranteed results I call a FS escort....
 
Agree with consensus that minimal, reasonable expectations going in is the only safe way. Generally, repeats with MPA and mileage gets better. I genuinely love and adore every square millimeter of the female body, so enjoy giving a reasonably thorough massage, and have been rewarded. I see it as fun, sensual, and I try and learn things, what seems to work, etc. Never tried the feet thingy though. Going to next time.

But, in the getting what you want vs. expectations - I've noticed that first time with an MPA, even though I ask for NR, she'll almost never do it, even when I establish myself as a regular, just not yet with her. N yes, I've never been refused the R, she just never offers to switch, it's just the old flip over.
 
...and then the next thing you know, you're clicking with her like you are long-lost lovers. It's an incredible GFE session and you can't wait unitl you see her next. Next thing you know, you are breaking all the rules with her which may even lead to fs.
 
Want better mileage, go in state "I am Sheik from massageplanet.net" and your wish will be granted.
 
Expecting milage to be high with an MPA you've never seen before can lead to a serious let down.... than again you could be surpised in the most delightfull way.... who can say??? Only one way to find out and that is to go and see for yourself!!!!
 
That's how it was with Paige@IT, and now Faith at HFH...went in expecting just the basic....came out with that happy, surprised grin on my face...every now and then GOD smiles down on you!!
 
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  31. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  32. KSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐Š ๐’๐๐€: JESSICA, YUMI & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ JESSICA is 20, Chinese, 5โ€™3โ€ and 110 Lbs, sexy & good looking with 34C goodies to play with. YUMI is a young early twenties Japanese girl, about 5โ€™2โ€, medium build, natural chest, and a big sexy bum. Yumi is very versatile and skilled. CINDY is slim & pretty
  33. Dreaminn:
    SUNDAY at ๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: EMILY, LULU & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ EMILY is a tall Chinese girl, 170Cms with nice natural C Cups and long brown hair. Emily is open minded and very friendly. LULU is a very popular & well known Chinese attendant, slim and beautiful with 34C Cups, long sexy legs, and incredible services.
  34. SunriseRH:
    SUNDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: SUMMER . 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5โ€™3โ€ with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services.
  35. NewOriental:
    SUNDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY, LULU & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl with natural B Cups, and a slim to medium frame. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times.
  36. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: Be๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น, & Sophia ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ RACHEL is a petite & cute, 34C, 155Cms & 50Kg, very gentle & patient. She has good communication, massage & service. SOPHIA is a slim and attractive attendant, about 5โ€™4โ€
  37. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAmy & Jenny. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  38. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer, Mia & Sophia. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded.
  39. CrowFoot42:
    Palace Spa
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  43. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, SANA, PAOLA, PAYAL PEARL, KIRAN, NIMRAT, ANAYA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  44. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely new girl Suki and Tiffany Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Cici๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  45. Dreaminn:
    SATURDAY at ๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: ANGELA, SOPHIA & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ ANGELA is a slim pretty lady from China, with natural boobs, slim waist and grabbable ass. SOPHIA is a young & beautiful 21 year old Vietnamese lady, slim with a nice booty, who has the services you need. Very nice cbj & services.
  46. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ HANA, NINA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  47. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Foxy -๐Ÿ”ฅYour new addiction at Sparkling Spa! A tall 5โ€™7โ€ sexy Korean girl with a wild ro
  48. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Apple๐Ÿ˜˜ - Brand new girl from Taiwan just ar
  49. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ HANA, NINA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  50. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Monica ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Wendy ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
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